Need Help duplicating a sign into digital format

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  1. swmoore333

    swmoore333

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    To all,

    I need help converting a photo I took of a sign into digital formats for printing and web usage. I was going to design my own until I learned my client already had a local sign company make a wooden sign for the project. I like the looks of the sign and want to incorporate it into all my marketing materials. I tried myself using LogoCreator and Publisher with no success. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

    -Sean
     

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  2. KD-did

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    Sean, great looking sign you have!! If you don't mind I can give you a hint that would make your picture much easier to get a quality image for you or anybody else to edit. If I were taking the picture... I would have used a single colored backdrop behind the sign and on what looks to be saw horses. You can even use bed sheets as backdrops.
     
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    I will do just that! Believe it or not, that photo was taken with my Palm Treo last night right before dark. When I uploaded it to my computer I was shocked the quality was as good as it was!

    -Sean:image28:
     
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    I am impressed....and your timing must have been perfect for taking the picture..no glare from the sun...
     
  5. swmoore333

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    So I cheated! Instead of driving clear accross town I got the eraser out and removed the background...does this help?

    -Sean:angel:
     

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    How does this look? I vectorized the picture for you. If you like it I can email the vector format of it to you just let me know.

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    Chris,

    Thanks...I don't know what Vector means? I want to use the sign in printed ads and on the internet. I also want to be able to edit the graphic. My graphic editing software is LogoCreator, Publisher, Paint.net, and Printshop.

    I am going to also ad a tagline on some promotional materials that I have yet to finalize. So far I've come up with, "It's not just home, It's a lifestyle". Something like that will be added at the bottom somewhere.

    This is all to market some really cool condos called White Oak. I am very excited about the project, but know very little about graphic design!

    -Sean
     
  8. Chris

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    I will see what I can do to the design for you. Just give me some time I work 60+ hours a week so I will get some food and mess around with this for you later tonight.

    Vector means the image is able to be blown up to any size without losing quality.
     
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    Chris,

    Thanks a bunch! Go ahead and email me the vector file. That would be good for using as a watermark on a page background! The color on the photo I took is bad, but basically it is forest green, tan, and white.

    I appreciate all the help this forum provides!

    -Sean
     
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    EPS file

    Chris and KD Did (& whoever else can help),

    I obtained an EPS file from the sign company that made the sign. They said it could be edited. What software will do this? I have Publisher, PrintShop and LogoCreator.

    -Sean
     
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    Hello Sean,

    Illustrator would be the industry standard application to use for those kinds of files, but there are some others. I would be glad to take a look at it, if you let me know what you need out of it.
     
  12. homesight

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    Illustrator is your best bet with the .eps file. You can modify that file to your hearts content. Great looking sign by the way, Chris.

    Ryan.
     
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    Thanks everybody...since I don't have Illustrator or $600 to buy it, I would love help from anyone that wants to manipulate the file.

    The sign company emailed me the jpeg, eps, and a pdf file. I am unable to attach eps file on this forum. So how do I get it to you?

    I want to add a slogan somewhere to the image. So far the only slogan I've come up with is, "It's not just a home, it's a lifestyle!". I am going to place this on brochures, the website, and all other printed info about the condos.

    Thanks for all the help and I look forward to seeing what you come up with!

    -Sean
     
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    Hi Sean.

    Ok, the sign company saved the file for you in several file formats for your convenience so you can take to any printing service that can use these files...or even print yourself. There are many other file formats also. These are just very convenient for most people.

    These files .jpeg, .eps & .pdf were most likely created from the origional Illustrator file (.ai) that can be opened & "modified to your heart's content" as Ryan so elegantly put it. Other origional files would include .ait (illustrator template) & the .eps (encapsulated post script); which is a format from the old days which was the only way for post script printers could read accurately then print, and this format is still use even to this day; even although many modern printers can use just about anything. These files hold all the artwork's layers, paths, compound paths, layer efx, groups, and on & on. Everything an artist could use to go crazy with and keep saving, lol.

    However, a .jpeg is "lossy" which simply means that it was saved as a 'compressed' image, which also means it was 'flattened' (all the layers that created it) in the origional application. There is a "loss" of quality from compressing it - which is referred to as "lossy". Not preffered for high quality printing; unless the one who designed the artwork really increased the dimension size & .ppi resolution (pixels per inch) to make up for a 'loss' during compression, and most will not notice this loss in higher res images.

    Now, my question(s) to you is this:

    Is there something that you don't like what you see in the .jpeg or .pdf, and would like changed?

    If so what? (besides the slogan you suggested, I got that part)

    Would you also like other files exported from it? example; .png, .bmp, .emf, .dwg/.dxf (AutoCad), .swf (flash), .pict (mac), .tga (targa), .tiff, or .wmf (windows meta file)?

    Hint: the .png is very convenient for importing 'transparent background' images into your Logo Creator projects.

    I hope this helps. You may send me a PM anytime for any more help.

    Darrell
     
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    Darrell,
    I would like the ability to take the image apart and add to or subtract from it. For example, I would like to copy the exact colors to use elsewhere. I would also like the ability to copy the oak leaves and use them in other printed material. It appears the software I own is not ideal for manipulating graphic files? My ultimate goal would be to have the ability to totally edit the image in Publisher or another program! What file format should I ask the sign company for?
    -Sean
     
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    Hey Sean,

    That's ez. The entire image is made up of many shapes/paths, or even compound paths. In the .eps or .ai file you can take any shape or path of an object in your artwork, and edit (resize/reshape), copy & paste into new document, add/subtract, hide, and many other cool stuff to it like add filters & live effects.

    It's also very ez to find the exact color being used for each shape. Each shape has a "stroke" & a "fill" and can be edited on-the-fly. You can also see the color that is assigned to each stroke and fill from either the color swatch or color picker. You can also see each color's designated value by numbers, depending on if you want the number for RGB or Hexidecimal (web, tv, monitor use), CMYK (used for printing), etc.

    Depending on what the artist created your artwork for, web or print, they had the option to create the document for CMYK (for print) or RGB (for web). I could only guess without taking a look. These things are something to take into consideration before you start your artwork in the document. We can find out exactly what color is being used in your artwork or even change it.

    As for using MS Publisher, it is great for creating your own brochures, flyers, and various stationary etc., by importing your images and basically resizing them and arrange them, then adding text. But you can't 'pick apart' or manipulate your images in the ways that you are requesting to do.

    Asking the sign company for which format is up to you depending what you are doing with it. They already gave you the .eps to take to most printers to use. Many printers may prefer a .pdf....the in-house print shop at my art college asked for a .pdf. It all comes down to preference. But basically .eps and .ai formats are much more accurate for "vector" based graphics, they are mathematically created and read by printers better for that purpose vs. the many other formats which are "pixel" based, like photographs.

    Hope this explains things for you a little better and I hope you can decide how you would like to go about it.
     
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    Chris,

    What did you do to vectorize that image? What program worked best for you? I'm assuming live trace w/ illustrator.
     
  18. Chris

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    Yes, Live with some manual touch up from me.
     
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    Man I'm learning alot...because I don't have a PDF editor, I didn't realize the PDF contained all that info. I can send it to you but it's file size exceeds the upload limit. Darrell, let me know how to get you the PDF and EPS files?

    -Sean
     
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    Hey Sean, nevermind about the .pdf. I didn't mean to confuse you but there's nothing you really can edit in the .pdf like you are thinking of, in the origional artwork I mean. It's the .eps or .ai files you need to be able to open & edit the artwork. Sorry about the confusion.

    I sent you a PM so you can email me.

    ttyl,
    Darrell
     
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