SEO Information Overload

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization (SEO)' started by OldenGray, Apr 6, 2008.

  1. OldenGray

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    I presently have several websites hosted on iPower.com. However, I say that only to point out that they have a feature on their control panel that may or may not be available with other web hosting companies. This feature allows the webmaster to register a site with more than 50 search engines. Having said that, after registering my first site with every one I could, it was interesting to see my email inbox flooded with newsletters and offers from other web service companies. A lot of the newsletters pertain to SEO, website monitoring, website design, tips and tricks, etc., and have proven to be very interesting reading. There is still a lot of junk, however. I suppose that once your site is up and running and you've registered with the search engines, you can expect the "learning process" or "information overload" to begin. One thing I did notice was that everytime I registered a new site, I received duplicate mailings; so you might want to unsubscribe from the dupes and just keep subscriptions to the newsletters that interest you.
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  2. laughingbird

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    Researching SEO

    Yes, submitting to multiple search engines will get you a ton of eMail.
    There are a lot of SEO companies out there willing to take your money. Google each and everyone before you put any money into any of them. Make sure they're valid and that they have no complaints against them.

    I highly recommend visiting:
    http://www.seobook.com for research on SEO.
     
  3. turnkeysetup

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    It is not even needed to submit to search engines anymore, now I may speak personally from my own opinion that others may not share.

    Anyways, every clients site and demo site I put up ofcourse has seo some basic some more advanced but one thing is always the same not once in the last 8 years have I submitted any website to the "Search Engines" but yet every single day google, msn, yahoo are indexing my sites and pages. This is no joke everyday they access all my servers.

    Now you want to ask do I get the traffic I want from them.. Well I personally do not reply upon any search engine to make me money but yes my sites are indexed for the keywords I want. But keep in mind most of my sites and servers I block no less than 47 countries from even accessing the servers.

    Bottom line is you really dont even need to submit anymore if you have atleast basic seo. Your site will be picked up in a matter of days. I personally think you should spend your time, effort, and money advertising your sites and not reply upon search engines.

    Just an opinion though, I do make a full nice income online and have done so for over 15 years.

    James
     
  4. OldenGray

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    James, I'm happy for you and it's nice to hear from someone who is actually making money online. But, let's not forget that the point of this thread is to help educate and inform folks about search engine optimization. To say that they don't need to worry about SEO kind of takes the wind out of the thread, don't you think? Especially new forum members (who need good, solid info) and graphic designers should know the mechanics of SEO in any event as it is an important part of web design. And, like you say, this is only my opinion. No disrespect intended, but I'm sure that you probably could add a lot of really good tactical information here that would actually help folks. I know I sure would.
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  5. turnkeysetup

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    Oh yes I agree, sorry please do not mis-understand my post. I think you should do basic SEO on every site but to spend countless hours trying to get those top listings or even paying for those top listings will not get you what some so called top marketers want to think.

    Targeted visitors should be your main goal as they are the ones that will make you that money or spend time on your site or whatever it is you want your visitors to do.
     
  6. homesight <img src="images/ranks/mod.png" />

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    I agree... I handle the seo and adwords campaigns for a large international company.. at the end of the day, it's about the target audience, and if you can capture a decent piece of business from those outside influences then all the better...

    I don't have the time to play bidding games on keywords with my competition, so I set a budget, monitor the effects and make display and design adjustments from there...in the end its really about your product. If you can offer a nice way to display it and "put it on the shelf", then you'll get the sale a bit quicker... and you'll capitalize on those quick impulse buyers...

    Ryan.
     
  7. MasterDesign

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    "If you build it, they will come.."

    Submitting a website to search engines is basic SEO,and nothing more then that..
    Just a very small part of the bigger SEO picture.
    If done right (automated, targeted and preferabbly outsourced), submitting a site to search engines will play a part in getting it indexed faster and better.

    Still, just the site submission itself is no big deal and i agree with turnkeysetup when he says; "every single day google, msn, yahoo are indexing my sites and pages"

    It's what these search engines find on your website when they are visiting, that makes the difference!
    So when you are building a site / blog / forum, it's always best to concentrate on fresh, relevant content.(rule Nr.1)
    If you can take care of rule nr.1, submit your site to other sites / blogs and forums.
    Join and post in ( relevant) forums, keep a weblog and submit articles to other websites.
    Share your URL in your e-mail signature, your social web community (facebook, my space) profiles and forum signatures
    (see below for an excellent example).

    There are a lot more SEO techniques ofcourse, but these are effective, cheap and will give you a better understanding of what your site looks like to search engines.

    SEO and site optimization for big companies, affiliate sites, advertising sites, marketing sites and simular sites is not the same as for "joe average's weblog" so hopefully we'll see some good info from the experts on that as well.

    If there are any volunteers out there who are willing to share the results with this forum, then i'll be glad to offer them a free indexing report (complete!..like the pro's do)
    Want to know why visitors can or can't find you?
    (let's limit this to the first three volunteers to pm me,..for now..)

    MD

    (tip: get the ™ or ® sign in your company name, see how it looks in google search results when you and three others with the same name show up...)
     
  8. OldenGray

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    This came in on the morning's email glut and I thought it might be interesting enough to pass along.
    Strategies For Search Engine Optimization
    A web site does not stop with ownership. Work has to be done such as getting it optimized for search engines. Your web site has to be made search engine friendly, that is to say, it must meet certain expectations of the "crawlers" or "spiders" of search engines. The index that these crawlers have created will be used in ascertaining the status of your web site in terms of relevancy to the requests of users.
    Good strategies for search engine optimization that should be fully implemented include the following:
    (1) Credible domain name
    Acquire a domain name that is not too long or difficult to remember. It should relate to the content of your web site. Within the domain name, there should preferably be keywords that a crawler will understand. Abbreviations, dashes, underscores, numerals and other meaningless characters should all be avoided. Always opt for a .com name if possible, simply because it is a more common term that customers think of.
    (2) Titles should be rich in keywords
    The titles for all of your pages should be keyword-rich. They should be easily understood by visitors, and more importantly should contain keywords that will relate to whatever your customers may want to search for. In search engine optimization, search engines often use the [TITLE]; element as the text for their link to your site. Emphasis is placed by search engines in this area of optimization because it enables them to determine the relevance of your page to a visitor's search. The titles for your pages should preferably be less than 50 characters including spaces. This enables you to select a title that is precise, and one that will not be truncated in search results for reason of length. For immediate impact, include your call to action, so that attention of visitors can be captured.
    (3) Include META elements
    Description and keyword properties should be included in your headers' META elements. META name="description" content="[brief description of your site]" is often used by search engines to find out what your site is all about. It will be beneficial to put yourself in the shoes of your customers. You can think about how they will go about searching for information, and you can subsequently choose appropriate terms that will capture traffic to your site. A great research tool to use is Wordtracker.
    (4) Quality of content
    It is imperative to provide good and rich content on your web site. The content should always be keyword-rich, as this facilitates good classification of your pages by the search engines. It must be interesting and entertaining. Quality is the keyword as far as content is concerned. This is one strategy for search engine optimization that should be given heavy consideration. Content should therefore be fresh and should never be a duplicate. Search engines now include in their search algorithm ways to effect measurement of freshness of content on all sites. Do note that spiders cannot read images, so remember to use < ALT > tags for images if you need to use them to increase your site traffic.
    (5) Links leveraging
    Web sites that get incoming links do get a higher ranking. If these incoming links originate from a site with higher ranking and which perform well for key phrases that are related to your content, these are good links of quality that will push up the ranking of your site. They will greatly benefit your site. It will be to your advantage to request them to link back to your site. Everything on your site must be properly linked; all links must be functioning, because this will enable all of your content to be indexed. This shows a good strategy for search engine optimization in operation.
    (6) Site registration
    Your site must be registered with major search engines such as Google, Yahoo!, and Open Directory Project (DMOZ.org) once it is sufficiently optimized. Instructions given by each search engine are different from one another, so it is important to follow instructions closely, to avoid having your site improperly indexed. For best results, do it right - straight from the beginning.
    (7) Play it smart
    Ensure that your site can be easily indexed by search engines. Your pages must be crawler-friendly. Avoid the application of spamming strategies such as irrelevant metadata and hidden text. Better be safe than sorry. Play it smart when you are in your zest aiming for higher search-engine rankings. Avoid strategies that offer the easy way out for getting good ranking.
    (8) Virtue of patience
    Patience pays. It may take some time to reach Google No 1 spot. The time spent on search engine optimization for your web site will definitely not be lost just because the top spot is not reached yet. There are still numerous other ways of capturing traffic besides performing a little more tweaking of your site.
    In conclusion, your web site must be optimized for search engines, as this will help you secure a better search result, better site ranking, and not forgetting increase in site traffic. For your desired results, you will need to apply the strategies for search engine optimization listed above.
    ________________________________________
    Author: Jeremy Long Chia Teik - From the Entireweb Newsletter * April 8, 2008 * ISSUE #429
     
  9. MasterDesign

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    Thank you for sharing your mail Oldengray!

    This newsletter is not a big deal in fact it holds no new info or anything better then 10 minutes googleing for SEO would give you, but!...
    it does hold usefull tips and some solid advice like: (4) Quality of content.
    I wouldn't advice against any of the other 7 points...
    This is
    an exellent example of good SEO/WSO and internetmarketing as a whole!.
    I'll try to explain why but must warn you, that reading past this point is at your own risk!


    I believe the last bit of this newsletter goes like this:

    Google the name: Jeremy Long Chia Teik and you'll find:
    http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=Jeremy_Long_Chia_Teik
    at nr 1.
    There are no less then 36 (!) articles submitted by mr. Jeremy.
    (btw, Oldengray read them if you want to see what email you'll be getting in the comming weeks..)

    Submitting 36 articles on the subject of SEO and WSO is impressive, so who is this guy?
    His profile on
    ezinearticles.com tells us his URL:
    http://www.goodinternetmarketing.com/

    A quick whois shows that Mr. Jeremy is the site's administrator and he's picking up the bill.

    Back to
    goodinternetmarketing.com, most articles contain 2 links:
    a. http://jeremy7788.star.com and b. http://jeremy7788.star1.com

    stay with me..

    a. leads to http://www.bloggingtothebank.com/?hop=jeremy7788
    b. leads to http://www.internetmilliondollars.com/?hop=jeremy7788

    These are affiliate sales sites (if you don't know, google it), both selling a "get really rich, really fast" E-book sceme, allthough they wil call it:
    a program, plan, opportunity, strategie or even the chance of a lifetime!
    mr. Jerem isn't the owner of these sites but all his efforts go to directing traffic to them.
    I won't go into whether or not programs on sale are any good (review a) (review b) but it looks like the E-book on blogging is working for mr. Jeremy!
    Always good to see a internetmarketeer work his/her stuff by practicing what they preach.

    In conclusion; a simple newsletter with valid content, your name and Url is one of the tools you can use to
    direct traffic to your site.

    I wonder if this talk about mr. Jeremy will be picked up by one of the daily indexing bots on this forum, leading to even more traffic...

    :image31:MD
    (sorry about the long post but i did warn you!)
     
  10. Desmond

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    Hey...
    Nice link shared...
    Its a great site for getting the information...
    Thank you for sharing this great informative stuff here...
     
  11. dawida

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    well......
    i like your sharing so much.its really good piece of information for us.good work
    keep it up.thanks
     
  12. Jansventures

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    Thanks for the info..very intresting..informative
     

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